What do YOU think about the Code of Hammurabi??
Great job on your last blog entries everyone! Now, you are ready to take on your next challenge! We have been studying the Code of Hammurabi in class. It is your turn to assess the Code of Hammurabi . So, in order to get CREDIT you must:
1) Explain whether or not you think we should adopt the Code of Hammurabi at Cary-Grove High School. (Either yes, we should - or no, we shouldn't)
2) Provide THREE ORIGINAL reasons for your thinking!
3) Make sure that you sign off using your first name and first initial of your last name ONLY!
4) Make sure that NO ONE ELSE has used your ideas already! (Each student has to have a different explanation to get the points!)
Follow these directions for FULL points
A. Go to the comment section of this post.
B. Use proper grammar, spelling, etc.
C. Make sure that it is class appropriate--keep it clean!
D. Make sure you go through the whole word verification process (typing the misshapen word).
E. If your comment/choice does not get posted in a timely fashion, or gets posted and then disappears, see me in class ASAP so we can figure out what went wrong!
Follow these directions for FULL points
A. Go to the comment section of this post.
B. Use proper grammar, spelling, etc.
C. Make sure that it is class appropriate--keep it clean!
D. Make sure you go through the whole word verification process (typing the misshapen word).
E. If your comment/choice does not get posted in a timely fashion, or gets posted and then disappears, see me in class ASAP so we can figure out what went wrong!
Due: 9/26/14
21 comments:
I do not think that the teachers at cary grove should adopt hammurabi's code.
for one, i feel like some parents and/or local authorities wouldn't be too happy about executions taking place at the school. Also, i'm pretty sure it's illegal for a teacher to hit a kid in school, much less cut one's hands off.
Another reason i don't think we should use the code is that many of the laws that deal with things such as property or marriage would just not matter.
And finally, keep in mind that quite a few of the laws deal with matters that are quite illegal in today's world - such as the owning and treating of slaves. all math slaves aside (cough cough jason) i'm pretty sure this school is slave-free, and if everyone started talking about how to treat your slaves and the government found out about it, i think we'd have much more than a knocked-out-eyeball to deal with.
samantha c
I do not think that Cary Grove should adopt these laws as our own. These laws aren't strict but the consequences to these laws are crazy, and very harsh. For example there are many students at our school who have cheated or are cheating on their significant others. If we used the law that if a women is caught cheating then her and the man she is cheating with will be tied together and thrown in the water to drown. If we also followed the law that if a son strikes his father both of his hands will be cut off these boys will not be able to succeed in school because they will no longer be able to write. As well as the law that states if a theif is caught robbing a house he will be exiled, Kids now make it a game. At parties they go and not steal but they do vandalize. In conclusion I think that these laws are to harsh and don't only effect the victim.
-Makenna Cl.
I believe that Cary-Grove should not adopt Hammurabi's code of laws at the high school for multiple reasons. First off most of these laws have very little association with the school such as an irrigation system flooding a neighbor's land. I feel that a more adapted rule set would have to be put into place in order to have a more understandable and comprehensive rule set. Although i really like these laws they are not as good as the rules we have now I feel way more free and happy than if I was being placed in such a strict environment and i believe this would be a better atmosphere for the student body. Not only this but, women were not treated as equals compared to men. Back in ancient times these rules would have been awesome for women. I think the Code of Hammurabi would not have a place in our school, ever.
Jake B
I believe that Cary-Grove should not adopt Hammurabi's code for three main reasons. To start, some of the punishments to these laws would be quite pointless, since I do not even know what a shekel is, and have no way to pay anyone one. Second, I'm not too worried that my crops will be ruined and that I will not have to pay them back for their loan. Last but certainly not least, I don't think it will be a pretty sight for me to see someone staked to the hole in the wall they created to rob the building.
Joseph J
The school of Cary-Grove should not, under any circumstance, adopt the outrageously harsh laws of the Code of Hammurabi. The punishments listed are irrelevant and overly harsh. For example, I assume that few will be pleased if a student is executed for a faulty room that his father built. The current law of having to pay a fine is sufficient enough. Many laws are completely irrelevant, such as the farmer-irrigation law, which states that a farmer has to pay money if he floods another persons crops. Which student has a farm in the school? My last reason to deny the code is the time period and customs that the laws were made in. Back then, a father was allowed to physically discipline his son. Today it is called child abuse. Times have changed, and the Code of Hammurabi hasn't.
Parth P
The school of Cary-Grove high school should not, under any circumstances adopt the Code of Hammurabi. The punishments are much too harsh, like if someone is to trap someone. If someone was to trap someone in school, they would definitely be punished but by the Code of Hammurabi they would be executed which is way too harsh. Another reason why they shouldn't adopt this is because if anyone was to be mean to elders, so basically if anyone was to disrespect a teacher, they would be put to death, which is also very unfair. One last reason why it would be bad for the teachers to adopt this policy is if a child hits an adult, his or her hands are to be cut off. That is illogical because that's ruining a kids life and it would be illegal for teachers or anyone to do nowadays.
Baye J
Cary Should definitely adopt Hammurabi's code and here are the reasons why.
1. We here at CGHS are more than just a school. We are a community and should trade one another as though we are all members of said community. Every Community needs rules. And our communities current rules, are not strict enough.
2. Every community has a very delicate balance between respect and equality. In a community, such as ours, we can ensure a degree of respect for our elders by implementing laws with extreme consequences, such as, the removal of ones hands and being tied up and thrown in a river.
3. I would gladly pass up stealing a chocolate chip muffin, and even a double chocolate chip muffin, if the removal of my hands is my punishment. And I am sure that after witnessing one of our peers get their hands cut off, then we will not commit any crimes from that point on.
^^^
Stephen C.
I do not think that the code of Hammurabi should be used in Cary Grove. The first reason is that most of the laws would not make sense in a school fashion. For example,(assuming no student in Cary Grove is married) committing adultery, trying to steal something from someone's house while it is on fire, or a creditor not having to be paid if someone's land floods after getting a loan. Also, some people may not take the rules seriously (some don't take the rules we currently have seriously either) and say stuff like "Come on you don't actually think they'll chop my hands off do you?" then BOOM! Bob doesn't have hands anymore. Which leads me to my third and final point which is that if students do take the laws seriously, most would be too scared to even go to school out of fear of getting an extremely harsh punishment, plus if someone does get their hands cut off they will not be able to participate in most school activities, as you need hands to write.
James R.
No,
If a kid cheats per say, you can punish them but death would definitely be out of the question.
If a child killed an unborn baby (this would never happen just hypothetically) paying 10 shekels is weird. The punishment should actually be more on this one.
If a kid steals something it's not fair to kill them.
All in all, The codes of Hammurabi are too harsh (mostly) and should not be accepted to CG -Jacob W.
I do not think that Cary Grove should adopt the Hammurabi's Code. First of all, I feel like these laws are very unfair. It would be unfair to have somebody else pay for another person's actions, like stealing. It should be the responsibility of the person who stole the items to replace them. If somebody else were to pay up for another's actions, that would teach the guilty person nothing, while making an innocent person pay. In conclusion, Cary Grove should not adopt these laws because they are not all well thought out.
-Makenna Ca
I do not believe that Cary-Grove should adopt Hammurabi's Code for many reasons. First, death is a very harsh, and not to mention illegal, punishment. The modern laws of the United States/Illinois are very different and in my opinion, more fair than ancient Egypt.
Second, many of the objects/systems in the code are very different then the present. For example, punishments involved shekels which are not used at Cary-Grove.
Third, many of the laws are in regards to wives/children or other adults. The majority of students at Cary-Grove have no children or a wife/husband. Therefore, many of the laws in Hammurabi's Code would be of no use.
-Theresa S.
The idea of Cary-Grove adopting Hammurabi's Code in their own rules is honestly terrifying and unwise. Not only are many of the laws irrelevant, the punishments are ill suited, often being much too strict, hindering learning abilities, some being arguably too lenient.
Some irrelevancy can be found in the monetary unit that fines are paid in, shekels; other sections of laws apply to slavery, inheritance, marriage, farming, and so on, none of which wouldn't be much help for running a school.
The laws also usually have unfit punishments, at least for a school setting with minors. For example, theft, under Hammurabi's Code, is punishable by death. Not only would this under no school situation be okay in today's national law system, it is extremely brutal.
Another situation of a dated and unfit punishment can be found in Law 2, which says that the guiltiness of an accuser versus the accused can be determined by the accused jumping in a river; if he sinks, the accuser takes his house, but if he does not, the accuser is put to death. This, along with other laws such as the ones about robbery, can pretty much allow any good swimmer or floater to commit many different crimes, while killing others in the process.
I do think that Cary Grove should adopt these laws, because 1. It will keep the society from doing stupid/bad things. 2. It will provide a sense of friendliness if there is no stealing/killing. 3. Also because it will set up people for good lives with out a bad criminal record.
-Luke W
I believe that Cary Grove High School should adopt these great laws in the Code of Hammurabi. This would be a huge step in the history of CGHS. Three reasons to adopt these laws are:
1. This would make dumb students think more about there dumb choices before they act. This would not only create a safer place at the High School, but also create smarter students in the process.
2.This would decrease the number of bullies at the school as well. In law 204 it states " If a freed man strike the body of another freed man, he shall pay ten shekels in money." If the school made bullies pay money, rather then serving one detention, they would be less likely to continue in the future.
3.If we adopted the laws this would also make teachers more powerful. In law 202 it states, "If any one strike the body of a man higher in rank than he, he shall receive sixty blows with an ox-whip in public." If a student wear to hit a teacher I think this might be a fair punishment. Maybe the principal in the school can do this at an assembly to show students that this behavior in not acceptable in the high school.
I do not believe that Cary grove should adopt Hammurabi's Code. To begin with, say one student disrespected a fellow classmate or a teacher. What would happen to them? Would they get their hands cut off? Or their ears? I'm sure parents would be THRILLED to see this. Also, many of the laws cover property, land, crops, live-stock, money, etc. Kids in grades 9-12 don't have to worry about that. Many kids in high school are also in relationships. Say a girl cheated on her boyfriend, would the girl and the boy she used to cheat be killed? In the time of Hammurabi's Code, women and slaves are seen as property. Would women and colored people be able to work at the high school? I thing that if Cary Grove did adopt Hammurabi's Code, the school would become very sexist, and anyone that is colored or female, would be harassed. Although many kids do steal from the school, I don't believe death is a reasonable punishment. Also, many laws talk about family, like how if a father wanted to disown his son, he'd need a logical reason. Laws like that, have nothing to do with school. One law states that if someone points fingers and his wife or slaves, he'd be marked. If that was the case and Cary Grove, 50% or less would be marked, we're teenagers. We point fingers, we do the "he said, she said." Yet, also many punishments involve money, and lots of it. None of us student have that amount of money to give away if we did something that involved a fine. So, to conclude, I believe that Cary Grove (or any high school, in that matter) should not adopt Hammurabi's Code.
Isabella V.
I do not think that Cary Grove should adopt the Code of Hammurabi because it is too harsh. For one reason, doing one bad thing does not deserve such a harsh punishment that Hammurabi's code would have. Also, I think that most of the laws that are in the Code of Hammurabi would not be very relevant in Cary Grove. For example, no one brings their dad to school so there wouldn't be a problem with striking your father. My final reason is that the school already had a set of rules that work perfectly fine. You can get detentions or get suspended if you do things wrong. These punishments are good enough for the students at CG to not commit many crimes. Also, if the crime damaged property of any sort, the student must pay a fine, not be banished or executed.
Michael G
No, Cary Grove high school should not adopt Hammurabis code.Majority of the laws do not apply to the students. The few laws that could be relevant are super inappropriate for a school environment. If we aren't even allowed to show a public display of affection such as giving someone a hug I think giving the principals and deans the ability to use physical punishment is not the best idea. Lastly the parents and guardians of the students may frown upon the idea of their child not coming home one day because they violated a law.
-Sarah C.
I personally believe that the high school should not adopt the Code of Hammurabi. The main reason is because the punishments for the crimes are extremely harsh and slightly illegal. Also, many of the laws don't apply to a high school alone. Most of the students don't have parents or family there and any robberies taking place wouldn't need to break a hole in the wall of what I assume would be a locker. Lastly, the punishment system used currently at Cary Grove is fair and effective.
- Ryan K.
I don't believe Hammurabi's code should be adopted at Cary Grove High School. A lot of the laws have to do with family matters and issues of land damaging another neighbors goods, and these laws would not apply to Cary Grove's problems. Cary Grove teachers can also not remove a student's hands, I'm pretty sure thats illegal for several reasons. Also these days to steal things from people's houses we don't typically cut holes in them- so hanging someone in the hole that they made to rob another person's house wouldn't really make sense.
CG should not adopt the Code of Hammurabi:
1. The laws we have now are perfectly fine for what we need to do. The punishments are good and they cover most things that would affect high school students, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'
2. The laws in the Code of Hammurabi are the same besides harsh punishments. Overall we already have laws that protect against certain things. We are able to follow the USA's laws and Cary grove and we don't need to add harsher punishments. The punishments that we have now work fine and harsh ones such as being killed wouldn't go to well with the rest of the nation. The school would be shut down if they were chopping kids hands off.
3. Too expensive; Killing people because of something they did costs money. People pay to go to school. If CG adopted these laws, people would transfer schools and no longer pay any money to the school. The students are ones that pay money to be in school, and if they all die/leave then no one is left to teach and pay.
-Daniel B
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